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Post by chaz on Nov 2, 2010 16:44:26 GMT -5
Also heard she run her back in the regular green pot and collected that money as well.....Hmmm. the plot thickens...
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Post by jlb71 on Nov 2, 2010 18:09:13 GMT -5
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Post by tinyfromca on Nov 2, 2010 20:43:57 GMT -5
You guys sound like a bunch of Republicans and Democrats argueing about the state of the economy.
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Post by trooper on Nov 3, 2010 5:56:05 GMT -5
in response to reply #26. precisiusly suszie said party only runs in midwest,out there or where ever certain people arent! I could give a care where he runs I'm not the one who had that "issue " with him! The issue I had with them was dog related and I think the pictures more than proved the point! as long as they stay away from me I could care less!!!
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Post by trooper on Nov 3, 2010 5:57:08 GMT -5
yes chaz run in green pot as there was no gr gr pot and was told to put them in reg green just going by your rules
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Post by trooper on Nov 3, 2010 6:01:42 GMT -5
yes dr71 archers is a littermate, sorry dean forgot about her. didnt see her run and no results were posted for the old timers race. but last i talked to dean at kenton he had ran her 2 mostly in gr-gr but a few times in reg gr,same as me. when mine was run in reg green it was because gr-gr was not available at race plan always was to bring around slowly as she is so small and give her this winter to mature out for next year!
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Post by susan on Nov 3, 2010 8:10:19 GMT -5
Well you are the one that keeps putting names on. I wont argue on here but if you make the trip to the Last Chance I will give you my point of view on your pictures. Its over let it go. Find a new subject that one is getting stale.
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Post by Josh Kelly on Nov 3, 2010 8:34:07 GMT -5
Still wondering about the heat money collected or not collected in Michigan when maxine won line and tree in the gr gr heat? I'm just one of those young field trialers trying to get the facts strait.
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Post by susan on Nov 3, 2010 10:07:41 GMT -5
And dont say I said you posted it. I said they ran here had fun and are welcome back any time you sure like to twist the facts.
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Post by Josh Kelly on Nov 3, 2010 16:52:19 GMT -5
Michigan its five firsts in your heat gotta move up. And hey Fred I'm not trying to pile on anyone she just said she never collected any heat money in the gr gr. Post #10 its just a question. And I know Michigan pays heat money in the gr gr five dollars for first line and five for first tree.
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Post by thewarison on Nov 3, 2010 19:12:18 GMT -5
does it really matter
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Post by trooper on Nov 3, 2010 21:05:51 GMT -5
Josh dont know what you pay in any class up there. ran there in august once first time i've been up there to run in over 6 years. So the 5 firsts and u move up would not apply as had no wins there,won my heats,2 finals and the pot and Bob just handed me the money, so If you pay he must have paid me. Dont know what your finals pay anymore use to be 15/10 was just up ther for a few days. In eofta,ofta,wpa when they have them,there is never a payout for gr-gr! still cant see where it's anyones business where dog is run?? (as long as rule isnt broken) Again where is it actually hurting anyone else to run a young dog at their first races in the gr gr? ANd I will still run dog there for at least the rest of this year. If it takes 5 wins up there and u move up a dog could either move up in 5 races or it might take them 2 years to win 5 times who knows? Is that wrong if the owner wants to keep running the dog till they win all 5? Just asking? Out of curiosity would like to see the grgr sheets from last nov race to see how many dogs entered are even still running? I ran 2 there and they then went on to run all this year in regular green!
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Post by trooper on Nov 3, 2010 21:11:16 GMT -5
sorry suzie Dont understand your post,I'm not twisting your facts. I seen where u put that on here and in the book didnt say u didnt thats ok,your opinion we are all entitled to one. I stated mine you stated yours. I never said in any post otherwise that you didnt say it.
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Post by Josh Kelly on Nov 4, 2010 6:22:19 GMT -5
I never said you broke any rules.... I never said I cared where you run your dogs.... The only thing I said was about how you said you never collected any heat money. Weather you knew MUFTA paid gr gr heat money or not you did collect heat money that is all I said... now the facts are straight you did collect heat money with that dog.
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Post by billchadwick on Nov 4, 2010 6:44:22 GMT -5
Most GR/GR are dogs that have not won 3 heats. Now that number may vary from circuit to circuit. And most people abide by that but there are a few that seem to think they can run anything in the GR/GR for as long as they want. My opinion is if you have entered in a regular green you cant go back to the GR/GR. Also if you enter in the GR/GR at a race then you should not be eligible to re-enter in any other class at said race. Also if you have won a green potchase, sorry but that dog should not be in the GR/GR.
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Post by trooper on Nov 4, 2010 19:31:53 GMT -5
appreciate your opinion Bill as we are all entitled to one,but let me ask you this? The wpa circuit does not have a gr/gr class we had them at one race this year in aug(jr's race) so if someone from wpa area takes a pup to its 1st race and has to run it in the green cuz there is no gr/gr then next week they go to say eofta where there is gr/gr you dont think they should be allowed to run in the gr/gr? just asking? Also the reason why said dog was run at J.r.'s race in august in the gr/gr in the heat (and won) and allowed to re-enter in the greens was because there wasnt any gr/gr re-ups and the sponsor said anybody who wanted to could,sundial knew that he was there! So what is the real rule in eofta and ofta? do they say in the rules a certain amount of heats? I guess mufta was 5. but seeing how this is the end of the year it could change??
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Post by sundial on Nov 4, 2010 19:59:26 GMT -5
Sure was there and didn't think it was right then either. Simple math shows that by paying the lesser Green Green entry FEE then paying the regular Re entry FEE IS LESS THAN PAYING THE REGULAR FEE FOR HEAT AND RE ENTRY. Therefore the fella that enterd and re enterd in the regular classes is paying more. So that brings us to winnings collected. Who collects or loses more after all is said and done ? Not hard to figure. Personal opinion on the Green Green class is I don't care who runs in it or how long the dog is left in the Green Green as long as they stay in it for the day and it pays NOTHING. GREEN GREEN POT CHASES SHOULD PAY NOTHING!!! Once the Green Green Pot Chases pay something you will get dogs enterd in the Green Greens that shouldn't be just to win the almighty dollar as we have seen this year.
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Post by trooper on Nov 4, 2010 20:07:22 GMT -5
that was the sponsors choice that day,u like the others are entitled to your opinion also. was the same in mufta there was a gr/gr heat but not enough for a pot chase so was told to run in reg gr,thats 2 circuits doing the same so there must be a pattern here? maybe people with young dogs at the circuit level just want to run?? as far as the gr/gr pot chase paying at fall round up. you had to run on saturday in the gr/gr heat for no heat money to run on sunday in your designated pot chase wether it was gr/gr winners or loosers or gr winners or loosers they ALL were paid a % fair to all partial to none!!! both the gr/gr line winner was paid and the tree winner! your opinion on the almighty dollar I guess if it paid out hundreds of dollars might be correct but when you pay heat money for no pay back and $10 entry fee in pot chase and if u get lucky and win get $20 I really dont think it was ever for the almighty dollar! Do you honestly think people sit down before they enter a young dog and rationalize to their self and think I'm gonna run in the gr/gr for no money and hope I win so I can run in the gr/gr winners pot chase and hope I win to try and win the few dollars it might pay? If so you have way to much time on your hands for thinking most just want to run there young dogs both tracks for experience and like mfw not to get "beat" up and ruined or "punished" by the professionals. Can't speak for the others entered that day, I ran in it cuz it was my dogs 1st 2 dayer race!
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Post by mfw65 on Nov 4, 2010 20:15:08 GMT -5
always thought the gr/gr was created for experience without getting your young dog beat up. Based on that, it should always be a low entry fee and pay absolutely nothing. Just my opininon. I remember a few years back a guy won a $100 claim final with a dog, then ran him in the gr/gr after that
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Post by sundial on Nov 4, 2010 20:20:16 GMT -5
Like I said WHEN THE GREEN GREEN PAYS MONEY THE CROOKS WILL FIND A WAY . Another point proved .
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Post by trooper on Nov 4, 2010 20:32:05 GMT -5
well that seems like it should have been wrong as once u win a claim final u wouldnt have been a green dog anymore to begin with(unless technically because it was at a circuit race? )
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Post by billchadwick on Nov 5, 2010 6:17:58 GMT -5
My only point was, if said dog has won more than 3 heats (no matter what class) or has won a regular green dog potchase then that dog is not a GR/GR. And in the OFTA if you enter in the GR/GR then you're GR/GR for the day and cant move up.
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Post by cindy on Nov 5, 2010 14:34:03 GMT -5
I do not have my rule book and minutes with me here at work today, but I believe in EOFTA that after a dog has won 3 heats then he is no longer eligible to be entered in the Green/Green class.
It used to be once a green/green dog was entered, he was a green/green dog all day. However, that rule was changed (I think 2 years ago), where a green/green dog could be re-entered in any class.
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Post by nealhall on Nov 5, 2010 19:11:17 GMT -5
Hey guys you all can come up to NY and run your greens. your gr.grs. your blues, your yellows ;D and all of you dogs for free and have fun.
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Post by mfw65 on Nov 5, 2010 21:18:52 GMT -5
what about the beer?
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Post by nealhall on Nov 6, 2010 14:39:23 GMT -5
always plenty of that too
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Post by flybettissabre on Nov 6, 2010 21:36:10 GMT -5
You're right Neal and HASSEL FREE
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Post by sundial on Nov 8, 2010 20:01:16 GMT -5
We run for free right here in ole Ohio every Thursday , every Wednesday in Indiana for free as well. Save those weekends for Race Dates
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