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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 5, 2011 20:11:30 GMT -5
Likely never been offered a reward because they didn't want to take the ass kickin that would follow Didn't you stop judging at a race because of the way other Judge(s) were voting? I flat diapprove of lottery dogs It seems to me that it makes donaters out of all the legitimate claimers in that class To sell the dog back just encourage the act Wouldn't happen if I claimed one ! Maybe if lottery dogs were entered and advertised in the class they were entered in before the legitimate dogs were entered !! Bet there wouldn't be so many legitimate dogs entered
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Post by tigerstripes on Apr 5, 2011 20:53:32 GMT -5
If someone enters a legitimate claiming dog in the lottery class, I would think they have a pretty good idea what their up against. And I do believe most dogs in the lottery class are lottery dogs. It also makes the claiming board interesting to watch. Im not into claiming dogs, but I do watch the claiming board just to see wich lottery dog has the most claims. I am curous to know what the avg. amt. an individual spends on claiming a lottery dog. The sponsor though should not claim dogs. eventually people are going to get tired of it. And it will eventually kill his/her race.
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Post by tigerstripes on Apr 5, 2011 20:54:29 GMT -5
curious
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Post by channelmaster on Apr 5, 2011 21:37:30 GMT -5
Agree
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Post by sundial on Apr 7, 2011 13:32:46 GMT -5
what the hells a lottery dog ? the ones winning the drop finals now a days can be claimed through out the year from the 100 , 300 and 600 classes? some people need to live in the present and step out of fantasy island. gonna claim one this sunday at mingo out of the 600 just to run in the 150 at mason's. only person taking a chance at a loss would be me. sponser makes money off the claims, owner has a chance to get the dog back cheaper, someone else has a chance to get a decent dog and a cheap price. so where's the downfall for field tialing ? oh yea there are plenty other claiming classes available for legit claiming dogs to run in as there always has been. looks like i put that argument to rest.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 7, 2011 14:52:36 GMT -5
Xplanation of a lottery dog -- It a dog that is dropped into a high paying low claiming final in order to gain a bunch of claims for the sponsor and/or the owner --Depending if/ or what kind of deal is made between the said dog owner and the sponsor Before anyone comes apart at the seams I said (IF)----- This is done with the hope of eliminating the legitmate dogs entered in that class creating a situation where by there entry also becomes a donation to the sponsors and /or Lottery dog owner A win win situation for the Sponsor and Dog owner But a lose Lose situation for the legitmate dogs in that class And if said dog is claimed and sold back to its owner its a win for the owner and if its more or equal to what the dog won It would probably be assured that there was a deal of some kind! Having not run claiming dogs for a while and once in the last ten years at a prestige Trial I have no idea what kind of deals are made! I think waaay too much of the dogs I have to run them in claiming classes! If I had anything to do with the rules of the game --Once a dog is run in a claiming class he would have to stay in that class for the next 12 months or at least six heats That would be fair to all Partial to none!
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Post by sundial on Apr 8, 2011 20:41:15 GMT -5
I BET THE OWNERS OF SOME OF THOSE SENIOR DOGS WISH MARY JANE WOULD HAVE HAD TO STAY IN THE CLAIMERS FOR 12 MONTHS AFTER SHE WAS RUN IN THE 600 THIS TIME LAST YEAR. THEN AGAIN MAYBE SOME OF THE SENIORS SHOULD HEAD TO THE CLAIMERS THAT SHE HAS BEAT THIS YEAR. OH WAIT THEY SHOULDN'T GO TO A LOWER CLASS THEY WOULD BE SHUNNED LOTTERY DOGS. GUESS THEY'LL HAVE TO STAY IN THE ENIORS AND TAKE THIER CHANCES AGAINST CLAIMERS THAT MOVE UP FROM TIME TO TIME. DIDN'T RONALD KIDD GET ONE OUT OF THE 150.00 A FEW YEARS BACK AND WIN QUITE A FEW SENIOR TWO DAYERS WITH HIM. WONDER IF THERE WERE ANY OTHERS. DO KNOW I FOUND ONE IN THE 100'S NOT TWO LONG AGO ,SOLD FOR GOOD MONEY THEN THE BUYER GRADUATED HER LINE AND TREE AT A TWO DAYER. YEA YOU MAY BEON TO SOMETHING FRED I BET THOSE FELLA'S THAT DON'T RUN CLAIMERS WISH THE CLAIMERS WERE BOUND TO STAYIN THE CLAIMERS FOR A YEAR BEFORE CHANGING CLASS. WHAT A JOKE. THIS ONLY MY OPINION SO DON'T TRY DRAGGING TOM RUSSELL INTO IT LIKE TROOPER DOES
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Post by tigerstripes on Apr 9, 2011 11:02:19 GMT -5
Wow! Didnt know the term lottery dog bothered you so much. If I ran a dog in the claimers that had 200+ claims and heard someone say drawing him/her would be like winning the lottery. And called him/her a lottery dog, I would be proud. I have something that everybody wants. Ill have to explain to Tommy I didnt mean anything bad about it the next time I see him.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 9, 2011 12:05:00 GMT -5
Answer to post #36 You are good at what you do -- Mostly twist word of other people into making them seem ignorant I plead guilty to being ignorant especially when it comes to playing the claim business . However just to explain to the more educated faction of the Field Trialers -- I would think that if a dog is run in a claiming class he should have to run its next six heats in the claiming class in that same class. I would think people with so much more education than I have would have known that the same dog could run in any other class it is Qualified for . I do apologize . Wonder why Claiming dog runners don't like the Lettered classification Where a dog can go up and down the classifications whith out going to the claiming class. Oh in answer to post 37 I am sure you would get 200 plus claims on Fern-- the two Grand ma's or any number of dogs you have So go for it! I promise I'll not put a claim on any of them!
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 10, 2011 6:02:31 GMT -5
The only people drawn into the claiming dog argument are those who see a need to qualify their treatment of dogs (New owners on a regular basis! Some good some not so good !) Wasn't there an argument ,not so long ago about how unfair --Stupid-- and otherwise out out of the question the lettered grade should be the wave of the future ? Like a dog could move up and down the grades without going to the claiming class . I took it from the argument those against the idea were claiming dog people who would not be able to get their hands on just graduated --but not able to make the grade in the upper class I ask in all ignorance--Isn't that exactly what they do? 150 class to-day 600 or 75 tomorrow --
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Post by tigerstripes on Apr 11, 2011 12:07:16 GMT -5
Im not a claiming dog person, and I am against the grade classes. The race track relies on betting on the dogs to make money. Now the casino gambling is having an affect on the race track, the greyhounds are declining. In field trials, the sponsors rely on claiming fees to make any money. What it boils down to is we need each other. A sponsor needs every entry he can get. People to come and pay gate. And he also needs those lottery dogs for every claiming fee he can grasp. And a little extra help by everyone buying the 50/50 tickets. If there is no sponsors, then there is no races. eliminating the claiming classes and having grade classes would kill field trials.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 11, 2011 12:35:28 GMT -5
Who suggested the elimination of the claiming class? ?
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Post by jlb71 on Apr 11, 2011 17:57:17 GMT -5
I heard a good idea raise the gate to $20 per person this would quadruple the gate profit and eliminate the need for lottery dogs.
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Post by mfw65 on Apr 11, 2011 18:50:46 GMT -5
interesting
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Post by mfw65 on Apr 11, 2011 18:57:16 GMT -5
based on an old gate fee of $5, 100 gate fees paid, and a 50% claim payback..............would be the equivalent of 500 claims
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 11, 2011 19:01:47 GMT -5
Make it interesting enough for two new people with five entries apiece That would equal fifty claims at $5 each!
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 12, 2011 9:51:51 GMT -5
Post 40 is a good remark. That will be all i will say.
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Post by ozzman on Apr 12, 2011 15:54:11 GMT -5
Hey there fred you seem to be taking lessons from trooper on how to worm your way out of things you say when others call you on the ridiculous statements. Now on to the next topic. you may want to check with others on the dogs we're running before putting the foot in the mouth about what caliber field trialers the russell and bright entry are. better yet come to a prestige field trial and expierience it for yourself.
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Post by sundial on Apr 12, 2011 15:56:52 GMT -5
that ozzman sure is a troublemaker but his post makes perfectly good sense
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 12, 2011 16:39:04 GMT -5
Best yet Dont have a clue what he is talking about Hope he hasn't taken up smokin Never made a ridiculous statment in my life Only trouble is when some ridiculous brain gets a hold of it and then there is a conflict! Never doubted the calibre of dogs anyone ran or runs I think there is some second hand smoke involved here! No more prestage Field Trials Last Sunday was the last one It was done in the Tri Valley area I am temporarily out of dogs. At least nine months away from a running dog. Isn't there a criminal charge for some one using another persons computer???
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Post by sundial on Apr 12, 2011 16:41:33 GMT -5
FACT VS FICTION
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 17, 2011 6:53:30 GMT -5
Got a call,seems there is another prestage get togather in the Tri Valley area to-day, Think I'll go just to add some class to the action!
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 17, 2011 9:26:42 GMT -5
Fred u always say something about smoking, maybe u have a problem... u r soooo funny... get a clue... maybe we need to send u to rehab, but dont know if u should go to dog rehab or smoke rehab. lol
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 17, 2011 13:42:54 GMT -5
All you folk who I have never seen lite one up please stand up!!!! Gee I am the only one in the last two posts still setting . If I were any one who has smoked or worse I wouldn't pursue this subject any further I'll out you in a heart beat! I spent about six months in rehab because I was a drunk. The only drug I've ever done That was in the eighty's Lesson learned One thing I was taught was --If you don't want your drug use thrown up to you Don't do drugs And if I know of any one abusing drugs --Make it damn uncomfortable for them ! I don't practice the latter ! But if some one is going to accuse me of drugs
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Post by jlb71 on Apr 17, 2011 15:57:10 GMT -5
You don't even have to smoke at a field trial to get high just walk by or near a few certain peoples trucks and you get a contact high and they dont care who is around or if there are kids near either.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 17, 2011 16:23:44 GMT -5
I heard that!!
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 18, 2011 12:37:47 GMT -5
good answer Fred, i personally dont care. but you say it to people who dont do drugs... it will all be ok.... it will work out i was jk u fred. i forgot dont mess w u, you take things to personal. isnt that what u told me...lol
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Post by sundial on Apr 18, 2011 16:21:24 GMT -5
still seated here
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 19, 2011 8:37:05 GMT -5
lovin life.. todd
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Post by sundial on Apr 19, 2011 19:25:03 GMT -5
just gettin by
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