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Post by billchadwick on Mar 28, 2011 12:19:53 GMT -5
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Post by Josh Kelly on Mar 31, 2011 16:34:57 GMT -5
What?
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 1, 2011 7:26:07 GMT -5
Little Poison - 2010
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Post by str8dogs on Apr 1, 2011 18:01:40 GMT -5
Bill you was not there on sunday and have no idea if there was any kind of a deal or not.You did the same thing when you drawed Maryjane and let Alison keep her the same weekend.I bet you got more from Alison than Marcus did from me.Marcus did not get a dime of my winnings if thats any of your concern,so you need to stop complaining about something you know nothing about and work on getting you a good dog and maybe someone will offer you one of those deals you like talking so much about.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 1, 2011 18:33:10 GMT -5
Did some ones guilty complex just admit to deals being made?? Tell you the truth I seen that post and thought he was dealing the two dogs he has or playing cards .
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 1, 2011 18:46:20 GMT -5
Ask Dulworth who had the number drawn.... its also funny that when there was talk about barring Marcus and I said that if Marcus was to be barred so should you. Then nothing else was said about it. That whole deal is why I left the OFTA.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 1, 2011 18:55:16 GMT -5
Watch it Bill There is probably talk about how to bar you right about now!
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 1, 2011 18:58:31 GMT -5
Plus I have morals and would never even approach a sponsor about a special deal. But some think that's the only way to do it. And not like you would know but I have had several good ones I could have probably made deals on but couldn't see why someone would be that lowdown.
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 1, 2011 19:03:20 GMT -5
Good I welcome the attempt because I am using my first amendment rights to free speech!
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 1, 2011 19:08:29 GMT -5
Any paperwork or visits can be sent to 409 Kentucky Ave. Mount Vernon Ohio 43050
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Post by str8dogs on Apr 1, 2011 20:06:41 GMT -5
Ask the twenty people that was in the building who's # was drawn and who' name was on the ticket Coleman,and what Marcus said.The deal was since you and Fred neither one was there and dont have clue what your talking about, markus said since I came down and helped him work on tracks that I could keep her,he said that in front of everyone that was in the bulding and he did not get any money.No guilty complex here just get tired of people trying to start shit and dont have clue what there talking about.
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 1, 2011 20:38:26 GMT -5
I'm pretty sure by now everyone has figured out the truth.
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Post by str8dogs on Apr 1, 2011 20:44:03 GMT -5
OFTA is better off they dont need someone that make a decision like you just admitted with out even knowing the facts.
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 2, 2011 5:47:28 GMT -5
Typical you'd let Marcus take the fall. Yeah they don't need people that want everyone to be treated fairly.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 2, 2011 6:25:06 GMT -5
Why draw me into this argument?? I thought he was playing cards! But do I think people make deals to screw other "Family" members?? You bet your bippy I do! Would I recognize a deal if I seen one ?Probably not ! I believe everyone is honest untill proven otherwise They generally do that by how they respond to an open accusation.
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Post by billchadwick on Apr 2, 2011 9:11:14 GMT -5
I am done discussing this . however people need to take notice of what's going on . it's funny how so many people approach me and tell me that I am correct and that they are sick of the bullshit too . yet there are only a few of us that actually speak up . field trials need a new regime that is willing to stand up against people that want to put on unethical races. the people who were involved in these conversations know who they are . if you want to attend fair and ethical races then go to the april classic the jasper memorial the silver dollar derby and the dick whitehead memorial . there you will see races with out special deals . special deals are easily recognized like a 600 claimer showing up in the 75's when its not a lottery final. Then that person buys back the dog and gives the person 400 profit not hard to figure out. this has nothing to do with marcus I truly believe he got roped into something he wasn't comfortable with maybe I'm wrong maybe I'm not but I want to believe marcus is a nice guy .
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Post by channelmaster on Apr 2, 2011 11:47:54 GMT -5
Here is my policy. Just to be upfront. When I claim a dog (which I will probably do pretty soon), the dog won't be for sale. At least not for a while. Of course you can always claim the dog back the next time you see me. Might not be in the same class though.
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Post by str8dogs on Apr 2, 2011 11:53:41 GMT -5
Thats everyone choice go to the races you want, and If you dont like the sponsor or how they run a race stay at home.There is no need to talk about shit you dont know anything about and downgrade a race or a sponsor.Marcus had 21 heats so looks there alot of people that does not take it the way you do.
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 2, 2011 19:03:11 GMT -5
LOOK AT THE WEBSITE WHY DO U 2 HAVE TO START SHIT WITH EVERYONE WHEN U HAVE NO IDEA. NO DEALS SO MIND UR BUSINESS IT WAS GREAT WITH ALL OUR FRIENDS THERE. GREAT TIME AND GREAT PEOPLE AND GREAT CONVERSATION...
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 2, 2011 19:13:48 GMT -5
If anyone wants to talk to me or marcus pm me.... u can only get dogged out so much by 2 people, not even in school did i have this crap. i will no longer discuss anything inapropriate. i am an adult
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 2, 2011 19:18:59 GMT -5
Just for the record I called a Trialer to-day to run dogs tomorrow Mentioned the number of heats to-day at Hillsboro He said "In the book thats next week" and he was planning on going He nor his family are on the internet Lost at least three dogs maybe more if his buddy went with him! Sure glad you all had a successful week-end
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 3, 2011 7:53:35 GMT -5
Reply to post #15 Your absolutly right in suggesting that the majority have no guts in commenting on this site about how they feel toward the cheating and under the table deals being made-- I have been set down and told who the crooks are ,how crooked they are and what crooked things they do! yet not a peep from anyone to correct .or point out the perp's I guess they figure that a couple people will voice everyones knowledge is enough . I know --in my life time--- nothing will change And no one in my family will benifit from any change They were drivin out many years ago!I do really love these dogs and no doubt, continue to be associated with them till I die They are guiltless and at the mercy of the silent majority The crooks have not distroyed my honesty nor my humor. Nor my willingness to point out their plight So you dishonest Shootem up --Givem a pill-- draw your dogs in easy heats and Semi-- making deals to better your bank accounts at the expense of an innocent dog-- keeps me on this site doing what I belive in and according to some Private messages what others belive also Have a good day!
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Post by jross on Apr 3, 2011 17:09:20 GMT -5
who, what, when and where. You started it.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 3, 2011 17:25:31 GMT -5
Ah lots of people would like me to mention names No chance! Every one knows who they are The shoot em ups, deal makers buyer of votes Vote for our buddy cause we owe em --s know who they are ! I wouldn't give a name of any of those who know who why and where They would surely have to pay for their knowledge> They are victims enough as it is ! I will add this for your benifit Never entered a dog at Kenton Did years ago at Transippii Never will again not even attend Two years ago A fellow beside me and myself watched a dog picked up set back down in the crowd next to the tree and won 2nd Tree Last year watched a dog with its back to the tree get 1st tree because a buddy of his was the judge Bet your glad you asked.This was Kenton
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 3, 2011 18:41:16 GMT -5
watch out Jimmy its your turn..... lol He is so lost.... I wish he would go away and stay away. lol
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 4, 2011 2:52:36 GMT -5
Don't ask questions you don't want the answers to If your honest above board and have nothing to hide --These criticisms do not apply! And just imagine how dull this site would be with out me!
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Post by gotrythem on Apr 4, 2011 11:35:33 GMT -5
it would be so great. well u go ahead fred all i can do is laugh at you now. have a great life
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Post by sundial on Apr 5, 2011 15:25:05 GMT -5
JEALOUSY PLAYS SUCH A BIG PART IN THIS SPORT. NOW WE KNOW WHY SOME FEEL THE NEED TO DOWN THE MORE SUCCESSFUL TRIALERS AND LONG STANDING RACES.THERE ARE THE HAVES AND HAVE NOTS. SOME RACES ARE TARGETED WHILE OTHERS ARE NOT. JUST ONE QUESTION ? WHY DOES IT SEEM THAT THE PEOPLE WHO AR DEEMED AS CHEATERS ,DEAL MAKERS OR VOTE BUYERS ALSO WIN THIER FAIR SHARE AT RACES THAT ARE GIVEN FRED'S STAMP OF APPROVEL DON'T KNOW WHO YOU'RE TALKING ABOUT FRED ? THROW SOME OF YOUR APPOVED RACES ON HERE AND I'LL SEE IF THERE IS MUCH DIFFERENCE IN THE WINNERS NAMES. IF NOT THEN I GUESS THEY ARE ALL CROOKED WITH PAID OFF JUDGES AND DEAL MAKERS. DON'T USE SILVER DOLLAR, JASPER, WHITEHEAD MEMORIAL OR COSCHOCTON BILL HAS ALREADY MENTIONED THEM IN HIS POST AND I CHECKED PAST MAGAZINES AND FOUND REPEAT WINNERS IN THIER RESULTS AS WELL AS OTHER UNETHICAL RACES.
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Post by crazyohlman on Apr 5, 2011 17:22:41 GMT -5
Unethical Races??? Never mentioned one ! Unethical people the sport is rank with them! When I enter a dog in any Trial I have no intention of making a mark Mainly because I don't have a dog with the ability to mark And luck has never been a part of my criteria I don't think there is a two day race where a judge has not been offered a return for his vote . There has been a couple judges barred from judging in the OFTA --I'll bet that Bar is ignored to-day! The incident I mentioned about some one called and asked to drop his dog and was guranteed to win and draw his dog back is not ficticious It happens If there is an incinuatuation that I am Jealous I am I want to be a part of a fair and above board Sport Where when I set down a claiming dog I would be assured that all the dogs my dog runs against are also the same classed claiming dogs Not a senior that is going to get drawn back by its owner after winning the final And I am jealous of anyone who can do that whithout having a guilt complex --I would personally be wrought with guilt-- I know some people think this is what pays off the Trial And maybe it is But it is also what is killing the sport or at least changing it so only a few win while the Majority merely donate
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Post by wvben on Apr 5, 2011 18:59:55 GMT -5
Oh Freddie, while I've always been a supporter of yours, your a bit off base here! I for one have NEVER been offered a "reward" for one of my votes! I see nothing wrong with dropping a high priced or high caliber dog into the low claiming. Its simply a high risk for chance at a high reward. Had a nice claiming dog back in the 90's that I dropped at every big race. He not only usually paid for my weekend, but usually paid for someone else's weekend also, as I always offered a good price back for him!
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